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Friday, March 7, 2008

Updates and other random Rush stuff
Posted at 11:21AM | comments (135)

After tomorrow, tickets for every show on the 2008 leg of the Snakes & Arrows tour will be on sale to the general public. There is however still an outside chance of them adding a second show at a venue or two depending on how ticket sales go; Puerto Rico and Toronto come to mind as a couple of possibilities. But for the time being, pre-sales are over and the countdown to opening night in Puerto Rico begins - 5 weeks from today on April 11th.

Ticket sales are still a bit sluggish but picking up in some markets. Some good news is that Ft.Lauderdale, Orlando, Puerto Rico, New Orleans, and Dallas have seen a surge in ticket sales over the last 2 weeks and should expect to go over the 10,000 ticket mark. However, there are currently over a dozen shows that have only sold around 5,000 seats, the worst being Hershey at just barely over 4,000 tickets. Atlantic City also is not fairing well and has yet to sell out its 5,200 seats. Hopefully things will pick up. They do seem to be advertising the tour as demonstrated by this commercial for the tour that reader the2112 saw during South Park a couple weeks back. Banners advertising the tour have also been spotted at several NHL hockey games - they must figure hockey fans like Rush... a valid assumption I'd guess. :)

The band is in rehearsals for the 2008 leg as of last week. I have no details regarding the specifics yet, but I'm told that they do plan on changing out at least around 8 or so songs. It's early though - so I doubt that even the band knows what the final setlist will be. But since we all love to speculate, I thought this would be a good time to remind everyone of the reports that photographer Ross Halfin gave back in October regarding soundchecks. He witnessed the band rehearsing the following songs during soundchecks on the European leg of the tour and reported it in his October, 2007 online diary: nearly the whole of Hemispheres and most of A Farewell To Kings; Cinderella Man, The Analog Kid and Here Again; Beneath, Between & Behind and a bit of La Villa Strangiato. There were also reports that Fly By Night was played in soundcheck at the October 3rd Glasgow show. So assuming Ross can be believed, the fact that they may have been rehearsing these songs in soundcheck might be a clue regarding additions to the 2008 leg's setlist. We'll see.

In last week's poll I asked you which of Rush's never-played-live 70's-era songs would you most like to hear on the 2008 leg. I should first point out that I just realized I included Different Strings on the 70s-era list even though it was released in 1980 (barely though - it was January). My bad. And guess what song won with 29% of the vote? ... Different Strings of course. The number 2 spot surprised me a bit; The Fountain of Lamneth with 21% of the vote. That was my selection actually - I love that song. Next was Making Memories with 12%. The rest of the tracks had less than 10% each. You can see the complete results here. For this week I'm asking the same question but shifting our focus to 80s-era Rush. So which of Rush's never-played-live 80's-era songs would you most like to hear on the 2008 leg? Take the poll and let us know what you think.

It was a relatively quiet week for Rush news. The only item of significance was the news that the Workin' Them Angels Live single from Rush's upcoming double live CD Snakes & Arrows Live is now available on iTunes. You can get it at this link. The single is already in rotation at several radio stations nationwide and is scheduled to officially impact radio this coming Tuesday, March 10th. It's also floating around the internet in various mp3 formats.

Despite a few hiccups, I was able to launch the Rush is a Band store earlier this week. You can purchase from a variety of apparel items such as t-shirts, hoodies and sweatshirts for both men and women. You can even get a RushIsABand mousepad or mug! The items are all fully customizable so you can add your RIAB username, or some lyrics... or whatever you can come up with - and about 20% of the price goes towards supporting the site. So go take a look around when you get a chance. If there are any items you'd like to have me add to the store, let me know. I'll be adding more stuff over the next several weeks, and I'm working on a design for black shirts too.

There's been a Rush sighting on yet another Cartoon Network Adult Swim show. Xavier: Renegade Angel joins the ranks of other cartoons on the network that have contained Rush references such as Sealab 2021 , Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Harvey Birdman and Squidbillies. In episode 6 of season 1 (titled World of Hurt, BC) which first aired on December 9th, 2007 the main character Xavier goes back in time by eating bacon and smoking (because it takes minutes off of your life ... get it?). He then regurgitates the bacon to go back to the future. However... he goes a bit too far to the year ... you guessed it - 2112! He then eats some more bacon to get back to the right time. Sounds pretty wacky. Thanks to Codackussell for the heads up.

In my updates post from a couple weeks back I mentioned how Neil Peart's original Tama Kit is currently owned by a guy named Adam Roderick who won it in the Modern Drummer giveaway back in the 1980s. He uses the kit in tribute shows to Rush with his band Trilogy. Trilogy guitarist Chris Meek saw the post and sent me this link which includes some pictures Adam gave him from way back when he won the kit. Neil's drum tech at the time Larry Allen delivered the kit to Adam's house, and Adam was later able to meet Neil at a show on the GUP tour. Very cool stuff.

Speaking of Neil Peart kits, a few weeks ago I mentioned that the last of the Neil Peart R30 commemorative drumkits had finally been sold. However, reader Danny has one of the kits and is looking to unload it. So if you have $30K lying around shoot Danny an email. :)

Here's an interesting Rush history-related tidbit; reader Richie has a close friend who owns Tree Sound Studios in Atlanta. It turns out that the mixing console in Studio 11 is the very same board that was in Le Studio. From their website:

The centerpiece of Tree Sound Studios is an SSL 4000 E/G console, serial #11 - the eleventh SSL ever made! This console has some of the coolest vibes, having been Le Studio's A room console, installed in 1980. One of the first bands to use it was Rush for the recording of "Moving Pictures". They also worked on it for some of "Exit...Stage Left" and "Signals". The Police also utilized old #11 for some of the recording of "Synchronicity" and "Ghost in the Machine". The console lived at Le Studio until it was sold in 1985 and changed hands several times until 1991 when it ended up at Chesire Sound in Atlanta. Tree Sound acquired the console in 1993, where it continues to yield great sounding records, and will cruise on into the next century.

Reader crusher87 let me know that 92.3 K-Rock in New York is running their March Bandness competition. Rush is one of the contenders, so go vote for them if you get a chance. And while you're at it, go vote for Neil Peart in this poll too (thanks Tim A).

Reader Victor S pointed me to the Red Ferns Music Library site which has many amazing shots of Rush posted. Just go to the site and do a search on Rush.

Reader jim alerted me to a Rush reference in online web comic Chad the Fat Kid. And emajor7th pointed me to this unflattering Rush reference at CNN.com in an article discussing why people think the 70s were so funny. From the article:

... 70s-set comedies remain relevant because of a universal theme of old meeting new -- albeit a "new" often ridiculously dressed and grooving to Rush. ...

Baseball season is nearly upon us so reader The Clansman 2112 has started a fantasy baseball league at yahoo.com especially for Rush fans. You can join up by going to this link and entering the league ID and password (ID # 155895, Password: atmsite). You also need to have a Yahoo account.

The 3 lucky winners of the MusicToday-sponsored RIAB contest will be chosen sometime in the next few days. I should have the list sometime next week. That's all for now. Have a great weekend!

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#1 - Posted 3/7/08 @11:25AM by The Clansman 2112 [contact]

Play Ball!!!
#2 - Posted 3/7/08 @11:27AM by subdivisor [contact]

first....
wow o cant beleive that AC is not sold out....i may have to get me some tix .....and i can believe hersey...there are some many other venues in close proximity to that one and i think that venue is the worst
#3 - Posted 3/7/08 @11:41AM by Earthshiner [contact]

They played Second Nature on the HYF Tour ... they learned there never to play it again.
#4 - Posted 3/7/08 @11:47AM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

well,that was am easy poll for me!! "losing it" was my choice!!
#5 - Posted 3/7/08 @11:51AM by DJ2112 [contact]

The new poll is WAY too hard - too many choices!!! I went with Available Light just bearly over Losing It - although there is a part of me that would enjoy hearing Anagram live...

You know - just as interesting as "What Song Do You Want To Hear" is to play - so too is "What Should They Leave At Home This Time". Being one who likes balance - I'd say no more than 4 from S&A -

-Far Cry
-Angels
-The Way The Wind...
-Monkey Business

So leave the rest at home NOT because I don't enjoy them, but because they'd be taking the place of something else I'd RATHER hear. And while I'm at it, I would love to hear In The Mood just one last time near the end of the show, just like back in the old days - so leave One Little Victory back in Toronto as well... DJ
#6 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:00PM by CJ [contact]

Where can you go to online to see the actual ticket sales for each city?
#7 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:02PM by crusher87 [contact]

I voted for Losing It...I wonder if they could do that acoustic, ala Resist?
#8 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:07PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

i think they will play more than 4 songs from "snakes",remember this is "snakes and arrows tour,2008"!! i'm hoping they will swap out a couple of songs(larger bowl and spindrift for faithless,we hold on?)and boy would i love to hear any of the songs that ed said they were rehearsing,but especially "here again"!! there is a song i never thought i would hear live,and with alex's long solo that would be the bomb!!!
#9 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:21PM by Spindrifter

Clansmen, awesome idea! Count me in! I play every year and havent done it yet.

But, hmmmmmm, I wonder if the Gedster would be joining in as well!!!

Richie... Can you pls ask your close friend if I can buy a knob or a blown fuse from that mixer???

That poll is freaking hard like some freaking exam.... Lol! Too many tough ones. If I vote for one, can I demand a recount based on the 'chads'?

Hmm, A.Light, Presto, HOF, EDet, OS, HW and of course Tai Shan. Ugh, crap Ed we should be able to vote for 1st and 2nd. But, as I nearly poked the hole for T.Shan I voted for one that I hold close to my heart... High Water!

Sluggish tix sales... Ugh, whats wrong folks??? Tell your neighbors, in laws, the mailman, the milkmen and firemen that Rush is coming to a town near you!

Todays lucky #'s are 34 till the tour and 84 till the Gorge!
#10 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:29PM by unktehila [contact]

i went with Available Light... there are some good selections on there, but i knew if A.L. was there, it's got my vote.
High Water and Losing It are top tier for me as well.
They won't play these songs though.
#11 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:31PM by jon lane [contact]

Ross Halfin is full of it. There's no way they touched any of those songs. Only Analog and La Villa would be any bit believable.
#12 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:31PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

i was just thinking,since they are opening in puerto rico,a place i believe they have never played before,they just may be putting in alot of older tunes this leg!! in addition to all the "snakes" material of course!! that would coincide with the info that ed got regarding what they were rehearsing last october!! that would be sweet!!!
#13 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:35PM by dinoman [contact]

I agree, the poll was tough. I'd probably like to hear ANY of the ones from Presto above any of the others listed, though "High Water" would be awesome. I eventually had to go with "Hand Over Fist".


In other news - AT LEAST 8 NEW SONGS!!! THAT'S AWESOME!!!
Oh what will they be? Is it "Fantasy Setlist" time?


I think the sluggish sales are not necessarily due to a lack of desire to see Rush, I think it's prices. They've gotten insane, and I think the whole broker thing is sodiscouraging to many people that they just say "srew it" and plan to skip the tour. Especially since many of the potential ticket buyers likely went last leg. I think the notion that most Rush fans are older (30s-40s) and can afford outrageous prices doesn't hold up. Some may fit into that category, but not enough to fill up these stadiums. There are many newer and younger fans and the prices are a hurdle.
#14 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:36PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

nothing would really shock me,these guys have proven that they are still certainely capable of playing anything,and what better way for them to keep a tour fresh than providing different challenges during the second leg!! i figured they would probably change around 6-8 songs this leg,so sounds like that will be pretty close!! i cant wait to see the new setlist!! 5 weeks!!!!
#15 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:40PM by Spindrifter

#11 ~ I could see BBB and Here Again. But, I'd have to doubt a whole dose of Hemi and F2KS.
#16 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:42PM by Spindrifter

Did someone say 'set list'... Was that meaning the set list game? I'm up for it, in fact am looking at it right now.... (been done for a while, hehe)
#17 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:43PM by Denny Crane [contact]

Available Light hands down is my favorite off that list.

Sorry to hear about the sluggish ticket sales. Things should pick up for them leading up to each show.

Denny Crane
#18 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:48PM by Denny Crane [contact]

Spin,

BBB would be killer to see live, that would just roast to no end. A short energetic tune that feels just like a gut-punch. Think of it as "MalNar with lyrics"

Denny McCain Crane
#19 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:49PM by PhillyMike [contact]

As for the Atlantic City show, my guess is that there are quite a few seats held back by the casino for the high-rollers. From the day the tickets went on sale, there were no seats available through Ticketmaster in Sections 102, 103 or 104 within the first 15 or so rows. Even the good tickets I got through the promoter are not in these areas. Anyone know if these has held true for the previous shows in Las Vegas?

The show also is on Independence Day, so people may have plans other than to go to the shore that weekend.

In any event, more room for me in a small venue - can't wait!!
#20 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:50PM by Wall05

I went with Emotion Detector in the poll. The solo portion in that song is smokin! and to see it live would be a real treat
#21 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:50PM by dedlift [contact]

Available Light.

I think (& hope) the guys will realize that the majority of the attendee's for this go round will have seen the "first leg" of the tour...
That being said, I will be surprised if the setlist is not changed substantially.
#22 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:51PM by Spindrifter

No kidding DC!
#23 - Posted 3/7/08 @12:54PM by Spindrifter

I think that the SL will be shifted around quite a bit and they'll throw tunes out that we havent seen em do in 20 years.... I think they enjoyed playing some of the older stuff and our reactions at the show may have started a spark for em!
#24 - Posted 3/7/08 @1:06PM by Denny Crane [contact]

I feel they really enjoyed playing some of those older tunes on the first leg. I am hopeful they will pull out some more old tunes. I won't allow myself to believe Ross Halfin, but damn would that be nice.

For the record, I won't be upset if they leave these songs out of this leg:

- Red Sector A
- Closer to the Heart (sorry guys)
- Roll the Bones
- One Little Victory
- Dreamline
- Spindrift
- Secret Touch
- Between the Wheels
- The Way the Wind Blows
- The Larger Bowl

Don't get me wrong, I love all of these songs, but would like to hear something else in their place instead.

Denny
#25 - Posted 3/7/08 @1:13PM by Spindrifter

Denny, I could do without RSA, OLV, Spin, BTW and TWTWB... But, I think its time to bring back CTTH with the jazzy bass riffs. I think that ST has been improving
#26 - Posted 3/7/08 @1:20PM by Spindrifter

Would like to see em do The Necro. La Villa would be nice with Jacobs Ladder. But, I think that Spin, TWTWB and (maybe)TLB will be dropped to make room for BF and GNF.... But, I think that we'll be surprised with We Hold On.
#27 - Posted 3/7/08 @1:22PM by dedlift [contact]

Denny, I'm with you 98% on all of the above...except Dreamline. For some reason I don't tire of that song. I guess I'm a sucker for lasers at a live show.

Dropping Bangkok & Mission wouldn't be a big deal to me either. But I think Mission fits nicely with the lyrical theme of S&A...

And please, no Feedback songs.
#28 - Posted 3/7/08 @1:34PM by scottc [contact]

I think they could leave out Witch Hunt now that thrill has past and throw in something from PoW for instance. Marathon, Territories perhaps

Also could safely leave out BTW and put in place Analog Kid

just my two bits, we could play this guess the setlist all day
#29 - Posted 3/7/08 @1:39PM by New World Fan [contact]

I'm first to vote for Second Nature I see. (I love that song)

Had to listen to all the songs mentoined from HYF to choose though. (I love Hold Your Fire)
#30 - Posted 3/7/08 @1:40PM by New World Fan [contact]

I meant mentioned.

Sorry dodgy fingers.lol
#31 - Posted 3/7/08 @1:58PM by New World Fan [contact]

Hey Ed are the Montreal tickets selling well?

I might end up being able to go at the last minute... If I'm lucky
#32 - Posted 3/7/08 @1:59PM by LanceTheShred [contact]

Good day all,

Overall I think you will find a 20-30% decrease in overall fan tour volume from 07' to 08'($10,000,000 down) This is a luxury item to many people. We are in a recession (Regardless of what anyone says) and folks cannot afford to fork out the extra cash regardless of the price. Plus the fact that only a maximum of 30-40% of the audience are really true Rush Fans.

-Gas is over $105 a barrel
-My monthly electric bill in MD is now $600
-Tax increases in many states as a result of the Democrats
-Folks owe more money on thier home then what it's worth
-Record # of foreclosures in the United States
-Single biggest drop in home sales in history
-Inflation will be at a record high within 6 months as a result of the above issues trickle effect.

Face it, the average person that likes Rush for Tom Sawyer and Limelight ain't going back this year. There is absolutely no way that any of us, regardless of the cost, would miss a Rush concert. It's something we can't do without. However, take away the average people and the above factors, attendance will be low at many venues.

My economic two cents for the day
#33 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:04PM by jediyyz [contact]

I would vote "Scars" from Presto!!...actually, just about anything from Presto because it was left out of R30 and the first leg of S&A...whatever they play, I'll be there!!
#34 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:19PM by Spindrifter

Scottc, WH was kinda a treat!

Would like to see TSS make a bit of a comeback!

Jed, you sucked the words right outta my mouth man! 'Scars' is such a kewl tune and I think its better live!
#35 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:21PM by nposter63 [contact]

#32 - Lance, the most intelligent post I have seen here in a while, So true.

Wait till after the election and Bush is gone, things will get better :)
#36 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:23PM by dedlift [contact]

Lance, you forgot the positive influence of the national media on all that you mentioned. I don't know about you, but I feel so uplifted by the national news broadcasts every night. Katie Couric is my fav.

Actually, that's not true. I don't watch any of them.
Nothing but a Botox infomercial.

Hopefully the boys will have good crowds to play to...
#37 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:23PM by Spindrifter

#32 ~ Lance.... U know yer shit, eh?
#38 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:24PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

lance pretty much hit home with the reality of economics!! it sucks!!! but i'm going to two more shows this tour!! i'm a nut!! lol
#39 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:27PM by Spindrifter

#35 ~ NP.... Its funny that you mentioned that as if Bush is to blame. Um, err, I think it was the guy that was slacking off with some chick in a blue dress who loved cigars!

But, umm, has anyone thought of the simeple fact that 'IF' Billary wins..... Will she claim her place in the 'Oral Office' as a loving wife?

Thats a good one for everyone to think of.

And now back to the show!
#40 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:27PM by unktehila [contact]

Scars is an awesome tune too.
#41 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:29PM by Spindrifter

Oh, forgot to add after loving 'forgiving' as well?

Just my 2 cents.
#42 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:33PM by Denny Crane [contact]

Lance is a Republican.

That'a boy Lance

Denny Crane

True, us die hard Rush fans will be there regardless, the others will pass it up.
#43 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:39PM by crusher87 [contact]

I bet ticket sales will end up being fine overall. Many who have not bought tickets for whatever reason will pick up the remaining seats as the shows approach. Some venues may have trouble drawing but given the markups at the ticket brokers demand for the good seats looks solid, and the casual fans will come in and get the remainders.
#44 - Posted 3/7/08 @2:45PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

i dont really care about anyone's political beliefs here,i try to get away from all that crap when i come to this site!!
#45 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:06PM by Spindrifter

Necro, sorry I vented! And you know that when it comes to the 'political chatter' in here I tend to stay outta ring!

Will keep my mouth shut next time!
#46 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:06PM by crusher87 [contact]

Did everyone go to the 923krock link and vote for Rush to carry the Bracket Brawl? C'mon people, it's friday afternoon and the boss has probably left already, let's get to it!
#47 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:08PM by Hemisfears [contact]

Dropping Bangkok wouldn't be a big deal to me either.

OK, but as long as Geddy finds another song to break out the Rickenbacker 4001. Like....Hemispheres.
#48 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:14PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

lol,its okay spin!! i didnt mean to offend anyone,but it just sucks out there and i dont think it is going to drastically get better regardless of which party is in office!! if you guys want to talk politics,by all means its a free country!! and the economy is affecting people's abilities to go to rush concerts,so i guess it is relevant to rush !! i just get tired of reading so much about ticket prices and all that!! i enjoy talking about albums.and songs,and setlists,and things of that nature is all!! rush on!!!
#49 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:16PM by LanceTheShred [contact]

Nposter-Thank you and wishful thinking. We will see

Dedlift-The only thing that Katie Couric needs in oneupiner

Spinman-Somewhat brother! Billary ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Necro-Hopefully hitting 4 shows myself!

Denny-Republican indeed (Can't find many now a days that stick to the party ethics)My comments were made as a result of the lovely Governor we voted for here in MD. We don't mean me.

Necro again-Your right on #44. Rush on!!!!!!
#50 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:23PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

excellent commercial for the upcoming tour!! man,i cant even remember when the last time i saw a commercial on television announcing a rush concert,if ever!!!lol
#51 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:29PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

so,anyone here going to rock out with me,bf,and rob at cincy? or with me and entre in detroit?
#52 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:33PM by LanceTheShred [contact]

The lord was trying to stop me but what I was trying to say is:

"The only thing that Katie Couric needs is oneupiner"

The only Rush that woman knows is what she is telling men to do once they are doing it!!
#53 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:33PM by nposter63 [contact]

Check out George Sr in Farenheit 9/11
#54 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:34PM by Denny Crane [contact]

Necro,

I gotta sit this one out brother. If I was in the U.S. I would catch up with you guys at a few shows. But the boys ain't playing Europe this go round so the best I can do is simply read all the posts from you guys after the shows.

A very unhappy Denny Crane
#55 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:41PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

denny- i feel for you ,brother!! thats why i dont ever take for granted living in detroit area,we always get to see them,they always come here!! and i know they will be doing another album and coming your way again next tour!!
#56 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:41PM by jmreidfo [contact]

I'll have to say Lance is correct to some point...Rushheads like us will hit 2-3 more shows without batting an eye...'regular' fan will likely say 'oh, well...maybe next time...'

Only thing that p*sses me off is that you can't get a good seat by being the first in line or on the phone, etc. TicketBastard and all the crummy brokers are who's killing ticket sales!! When tickets go on sale that means put all the &%^$ tickets on sale and not a section here and there!

And the media and other cronies shouldn't get front row pick of the litter so they can write a crummy review because they're bitching it's RUSH and not the Jonas Brothers...!!!!!!!!!

Okay, I'm off the soapbox...someone catch the baton...

P.S. I wanna hear "The Enemy Within..." this next round...!!!
#57 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:45PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

this will be a very memorable leg for a few reasons,but mostly with the rehab i'm currently doing for my injuries,these two concerts this summer is my reward!! could be emotional moment,because i was almost to the point of never being able to stand thru a rush concert again!! never,never take anything for granted my friends!! okay,i'll hop off my soapbox now!! lol
#58 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:53PM by New World Fan [contact]

Denny I may be in the same pit as you.

My dad doesn't think we will be able to afford to get to Canada this year let alone go to a Rush concert when we're there. My mum is currently considering selling our caravan and some other stuff to be able to go.
#59 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:55PM by rocinante5m [contact]

Since I was 13 ( now 34) i have been inspired and influenced by RUSH.....I have only met a few Rush fans in my life and they have all shared alot of my views on alot of things, from music to movies, from politics to family issues....i have always thought that most Rush fans would be the same, i mean they are listening to the same music as me and reading the same incredible lyrics as i have been reading.....but after the past couple of months reading some of the posts here, i have realized that i have been wrong, to say the least,lol........i hate to turn this into a political blog, but i couldn't keep quite.....i'm actually pretty shocked at some of the views that some of you fellow Rush fans have, considering the obvious role Rush plays in your life......or maybe i'm wrong....Clinton getting it on with a fat chick in the white house is the reason why our economy is in shambles and getting worse by the day, 8 years after he's out of the office really has to do with oil be at record highs, and 8 years later he's responsible for the big lie that is Iraq.....come on people wake up!!!!!......just because you have been devoted to a certain political party doesn't mean you should always defend it even when it's so obvious that you shouldn't....that's the problem with what's going on in this country over the past decade or so, we all have that mentality of waving a flag for something other than the American flag, or the flag that should be for all humanity.....it's the way our society is in this country......you automatically have disdain for someone when they are a fan of a rival team that you route for, if they vote for a different party than you do or you wear blue and they wear red, if they are from a different country or speak a different language.......this is why we are hated by so many "citizens of the world" today and why we are mocked by so many when they see what happens here in this country.........most politicians are corrupt and everyone knows that, and we also know that the ones that have been pulling the strings of late do not have our best interest in mind when making their decisions, they are only concerned with how much they can stuff in their pockets and how much control they can have on people....they have no regard or vision for the future...........once again, sorry to get political but i had to.........

this pretty much sums it up.......

When they turn the pages of history
When these days have passed long ago
Will they read of us with sadness
For the seeds that we let grow
We turned our gaze
From the castles in the distance
Eyes cast down
On the path of least resistance

Cities full of hatred
Fear and lies
Withered hearts
And cruel, tormented eyes
Scheming demons
Dressed in kingly guise
Beating down the multitude
And scoffing at the wise

The hypocrites are slandering
The sacred halls of Truth
Ancient nobles showering
Their bitterness on youth
Can't we find
The minds that made us strong
Can't we learn
To feel what's right and wrong

Cities full of hatred
Fear and lies
Withered hearts
And cruel, tormented eyes
Scheming demons
Dressed in kingly guise
Beating down the multitude
And scoffing at the wise
Can't we raise our eyes
And make a start
Can't we find the minds
To lead us closer to the Heart

and in closing.... like Clinton was the only president to play with cigars in the white house, yeah and Bush's "strategery" in Iraq is working well......
#60 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:59PM by DJ2112 [contact]

Not that I'm advocating it (because it would take up too many song slots) but it would be pretty cool to hear all 4 parts of "Fear" in their proper sequence. I was thinking that they did I-III awhile back - but I'm not totally sure (so validate or correct my poor memory...) But I've really enjoyed "Freeze" and wouldn't mind hearing that.

Having gotten what I wanted the past few tours...

-Between The Wheels
-Natural Science
-Cirumstances
-Digital Man
-Xanadu

...so I really can't complain. Still think that 4 songs off of S&A would be just fine. Remember when 4 songs was one whole side of an album??? DJ
#61 - Posted 3/7/08 @4:01PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

lol,so much for albums,songs,and setlists!!
#62 - Posted 3/7/08 @4:11PM by New World Fan [contact]

DJ!!!


Witch Hunt-PT 3-1981
The Weapon-PT 2-1982
The Enemy Within-PT 1-1984
Freeze-PT 4-2002

Just so you know. LOL
#63 - Posted 3/7/08 @4:24PM by unktehila [contact]

re #59, rocinate... right on the money.
i can't believe the GOPs are stilling swilling the Kool Aid, lose the chip on the shoulder already... Bush ruined just about everything beyond description for generations to come. Gonna go down as the Worst President ever. Even your beloved Rush knows it.
the historically monumental clusterf*ck that is Iraq is costing billions monthly... who's paying for that? Dubya out of his silver spoon account???

anyways, Rush on brothers.
#64 - Posted 3/7/08 @4:36PM by LovLee [contact]

The only Rush that woman knows is what she is telling men to do once they are doing it!!

#52 - Posted 3/7/08 @3:33PM by LanceTheShred [contact]

Lance - Regarding your post...#52

You might want to rethink that statement, becuase if I wasn't such a nice person I might end of being offended

I'm a total Ged Head and have been for a long time.

Sometimes us women don't get a chance to sit on the computer and play all day.
#65 - Posted 3/7/08 @4:37PM by crusher87 [contact]

I this board about Rush or politics? I don't think anyone has a corner on the market for incompetence, especially politicians (no matter WHAT stripe). I'd also be willing to wager that there are a number of people who post on this site who find it odd to be insulted on the one hand but then be called a Rush Brother on the other. But then, that's the nature of politics these days isn't it? You're all in, or you're a traitor.

Keep your politics to yourselves. I go to other websites for that. I come here to read and discuss Rush.
#66 - Posted 3/7/08 @4:43PM by jediyyz [contact]

Don't want to jump in the political frey...we all knew the second leg of the tour was coming months ago...so economics aside, my wife and I budgeted with Rush in mind...we knew about how much tickets would be and planned ahead...nothing will stop us from seeing our favorite band...RUSH!!
#67 - Posted 3/7/08 @4:45PM by Denny Crane [contact]

Well said crusher87
#68 - Posted 3/7/08 @4:54PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

well said,crusher and jedi !!!!
#69 - Posted 3/7/08 @4:56PM by dinoman [contact]

All this time we're talking and sharing our rational view
A billion other voices are spreading other news

The ones we wish would listen are never going to hear
#70 - Posted 3/7/08 @5:01PM by dinoman [contact]

Damn! I posted at #69 and didn't even acknowledge it.
#71 - Posted 3/7/08 @5:54PM by DJ2112 [contact]

#62 - Posted by New World Fan about DJ2112 #60...

Witch Hunt-PT 3-1981
The Weapon-PT 2-1982
The Enemy Within-PT 1-1984
Freeze-PT 4-2002

*****

NWF - What I meant with my #60 post, was having them play all IV parts of "Fear" LIVE in sequence. The reference to I-III, had to do with me for some reason recalling that I had heard them play those in sequence live during the Counterparts tour.

I wanted to know if someone else recalled that, or in my old age I was was mis-remembering. Hope that clears that up...

I also prefer to leave politics out of this arena - I sorta come here to get away from alot of that...

DJ
#72 - Posted 3/7/08 @6:23PM by New World Fan [contact]

Aw shit!

Right OK sorry.

In that case Grace Under Pressure Tour.
#73 - Posted 3/7/08 @6:33PM by entrenous [contact]

Hey everyone, happy Friday

Looks like it has been a busy day in here. The only thing I can say after reading all these comments is: I'm glad I live in Canada and

39 till Orlando
95 till Detroit
124 till Toronto

(The necromancer has been in my head since I woke up this morning. I realised around lunch time that I don't know a single one of the words, lol)
#74 - Posted 3/7/08 @6:35PM by SF in Prague [contact]

folks! economy? yeah, but better is RUSH! BASEBALL!!! Goodthings coming!

I've got my league team ready!!! Join the league!
#75 - Posted 3/7/08 @6:41PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

great song to have in your head,entre!!

dj- i dont think they played them in sequence during counterparts tour!! that would be cool though!!
#76 - Posted 3/7/08 @6:42PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

what do i have to do to join,sf? how does it work?
#77 - Posted 3/7/08 @6:44PM by New World Fan [contact]

link

No they didn't.
#78 - Posted 3/7/08 @7:56PM by JesseZ [contact]

Come hell or high water there only two events simply I do not miss: 1) Rush Concerts 2)The FIFA World Cup.

I tuck away a few bucks now and then in my own little savings account solely for these. I explained to my wife during our engagement that these two events were NOT up for discussion. She understood. She's the coolest, what can I say?

So, every 4 years I'm off to a World Cup (Germany in '06 was unreal) and in-between, if we're all lucky, I hit a couple Rush shows.

The World Cup is like the Super Bowl, World Series and Mardi Gras wrapped into one and lasts for a month. I highly recommend it whether soccer is your thing or not.

Life is simply too short to deny oneself these two worthwhile indulgences!
#79 - Posted 3/7/08 @9:24PM by cartermitch [contact]

I'm not suprised that ticket sales have been slow. I bought two ok tickets to the Atlanta show and it cost me over $200.00, and the seating wasn't that much better than the two tickets that cost me $90 for the first leg of the tour (also in ATL). What gives? Maybe I'm just an old fogey (at 31) since I don't really go to many big name concerts anymore (Justin Timberlake just doesn't do it for me, surprise, surprise). I can afford it, and I don't mind shelling that much out for the boys, but what about all the younger kids out there for whom $100 bucks is a fortune?
#80 - Posted 3/7/08 @10:45PM by Fiat [contact]

Bottom line with tickets--outrageous. Symptomatic of the greedy and soulless times in which we live. These bastard ticket brokers should be driven from the Temples of Syrinx. I mean you can't get a decent seat in any of the first sections of these venues for under $175. I'm as die hard as they come but it's one show for me this time around. Hard enough to handle the normal bills in our collapsing economy. Seeing a Rush show is becoming a major financial pain in the ass. Sucks.
#81 - Posted 3/7/08 @11:39PM by jmreidfo [contact]

Fiat,

as I said in #56...you hit the nail right on...I'm happy with my STL seats (not exactly up front or in first section) and happy to be IN the venue regardless where I am...
#82 - Posted 3/8/08 @1:30AM by Lamb Saag [contact]

Regarding the speculative setlist, I'm OK with whatever Rush want to play. But I remain ambivalent about hearing some of these numbers at the concerts:

Workin' Them Scalpers
The Malignant Narcissism of Ross Halfin
Pass Me That Larger Bowl
Beneath, Between And Behind a Really Tall Person
Barack-Tor And The Snobama Dog
#83 - Posted 3/8/08 @2:11AM by RicScully [contact]

No one answered CJ's question (#6); where can you check out ticket sales nationally? Anyone know? I'm happy to hear that they may change up to 8 songs; that could really open up some possibilities.
#84 - Posted 3/8/08 @2:38AM by dinoman [contact]

So there are others lurking around here in the wee hours, eh?
#85 - Posted 3/8/08 @4:58AM by SF in Prague [contact]

Necro!
Howdy!
THis is a cut-and-paste from the Updates post that this thread belongs to: "Baseball season is nearly upon us so reader The Clansman 2112 has started a fantasy baseball league at yahoo.com especially for Rush fans. You can join up by going to this link and entering the league ID and password (ID # 155895, Password: atmsite). You also need to have a Yahoo account."
If you don't have a yahoo acct (i didn't) just make one based on your name here so we know who you are! and then make a team (i used the same name, SF in Prague) and VOILA!
Then we just have to wait till the draft, in three weeks.
I hope to see you on the playing field!!!
SF
PS-i've never done fantasy baseball, but i love baseball and geddy plays fantasy ball, so how could i resist a Rush league!?!??!!
#86 - Posted 3/8/08 @8:28AM by CJ [contact]

Dont worry about ticket sales. I just read where Bush pushed congress to add another 300 bucks to the stimulus package in regards to the upcoming Rush tour. In Bushs own words " I really like that Neel Part guy heh heh heh heh"
#87 - Posted 3/8/08 @9:15AM by Armeee [contact]

ED mentioned that the band is in REHEARSALS....

Does anyone have any idea where this is taking place, no arenas in Canada available until hockey season is over.

Rush where are you.......
#88 - Posted 3/8/08 @11:42AM by snowdogx1 [contact]

I'll tell you exactly why tickets sales are "sluggish": WHY GO BACK TO THE SAME VENUES YOU PLAYED ON THE FIRST PART OF THE TOUR!?!?!?!?!?!? Makes no sense. There are probably dozens of other cities, many of which they haven't played in years if not decades, that they could have hit this time around. Yeah, I'm still a little miffed, not that they care what I think. So I'll go see them in Cincinatti for the umptenth time. If there is a next tour, PLEASE visit some places you haven't played in a while.
#89 - Posted 3/8/08 @12:51PM by Yx2Z

I'm pretty sure Regina is just near sold out..
#90 - Posted 3/8/08 @3:14PM by Armeee [contact]

#88
Good point........... I'm sure those in Maritime Canada totally agree.
Last year they played JLC in London Ont and was a near sellout. That has a capacity of about 9,000-10,000. My cousin said that the stage setup was perfect even though it is not as big of a venue.
#91 - Posted 3/9/08 @1:28AM by RicScully [contact]

#88: I agree this could turn out to be a strategic mistake, to return to the same places with only a minor tweak in the set list; this has been discussed here before and could explain the recent posts that say the set list could involve 8 rather than 5-6 song swaps. I saw them last August and have tickets to see them again in May, so clearly it doesn't matter to me WTF they do, but I will go on record as saying that I would rather not hear all of H or FWTK, as it seems too much of the nostalgia thing (plus, Hemispheres has too many boring/dated segments that will chew up concert time). I would rather hear healthy doses of Presto, TFE, or Power Windows that was totally missing from the "first leg". I do hope they drop Subdivision, Beneath The Wheel and (I know I'll be stoned to death for this) Natural Science. We've heard this stuff since the Vapor Trails tour. I love the older and rarely played songs on the first leg this time (from Permanent Waves and HYF) and hope they change up the new songs from S&A. But, like I said, I'll be there (with my kids this time) no matter what they do, and I'll love it!
#92 - Posted 3/9/08 @8:41AM by New World Fan [contact]

Hey Ric I agree with most of your post. Considering how many songs the guys play, 8 songs wouldn't be much of a difference if you ask me...

Maybe that's just what they're telling folks and they really intend to re-do the set... if only!

Oh well if I get to go I'll be happy whatever they play.


PS What ever happened to the South America dates?
#93 - Posted 3/9/08 @10:44AM by Rob

I really don't care what the guys play...I would go to see them if they played MJ's Thriller.
If there seemed to be a flub with the last leg, It would be the abscence of their nineties catalog. Too many current fans became familiar with Rush during the nineties.

I don't have a clue what the setlist will be this time, but I will stick my neck out and predict they will open the show with one of the following songs:
YYZ (opening with an instrumental would be different)
Freewill
Far cry
#94 - Posted 3/9/08 @11:28AM by Denny Crane [contact]

Rob, #93

You might be on to something here...

Geddy Lee wailing away "Cause this is Thriller..."

Alex can do that cool monster dance at the end (you remeber it)

And Neil can do the Vincent Price voice over.

Sign me up, I am soooo there.
#95 - Posted 3/9/08 @6:43PM by RaceUnderPressure [contact]

As far as AC goes, you have to remember that they are playing Philly and Holmdel, NJ. I know there are a lot of people in this area but not everyone is gonna hit all three shows (plus vegas) like me. When I heard about a possible AC show, I figured that meant a Philly show was out considering they hit Camden the first time around. I always assume that the people planning these tours are pros and they must know more than we do but I've got a feeling that Philly is gonna be a tough sell.

Of course, more shows for me.....would never complain about that. Sometimes I feel a little bad about how many shows are within a reasonable distance when you live in the tri-state area....on second thought....no I don't!
#96 - Posted 3/9/08 @7:53PM by slavetothehormone

"RANDOM RUSH ON THE MARCH"
by slavetothehormone
THE DATE: March 9, 2008
THE TIME: 5- no, 6:39 PM

Happy start of daylight saving time!

1: That is, tickets are NOW available to the general public.
AROUND THESE PARTS: I anticipate the end of pre-sale contests. Maybe the luck of the Irish will come around Manchester?

2: AROUND THESE PARTS: No special ads around here. Perhaps soon I should wear my "2112" shirt, maybe make a sign, perhaps even invest in flashing lights, a bullhorn, or an anvil...

3: Once again, really digging into the vault this tour. My collection has somewhat been lacking in the 70's material.
"Analog Kid" is always a good song (my dad sometimes sings the opening- he likes it), but I'd go for anything from Signals ("Losing It", anyone?)

4: It's breakdown time-
LOSING IT: Did I not call it? Be honest. (Don't be honest).
EMOTION DETECTOR: Yes. Another great song from a great album that I have yet to put on my iPod (makes note to self).
OPEN SECRETS, TAI SHAN, HIGH WATER: Too early for me to tell. Need to familiarize myself with 1987-1991 material better. I only have Presto and Roll The Bones on casette, y'see.
SECOND NATURE: Yes, very good HYF song.
PRESTO, ANAGRAM, RED TIDE: Yes. Presto has been neglected too long. Need I remind you it was the only album not represented on the R30 tour? They coulda mixed up the setlist every once in a while, like Dream Theater.
(Yes, I know, they didn't do 'Space-Dye Vest', but that's for a different reason entirely.)

Everything else, I need to listen to again. Therefore, my selection is:

ANAGRAM for Mongo

5.2%. Democracy isn't on my side, is it now?

5: Hey, that's not too far off. I can imagine my friends hearing this on the radio, asking me who it is, and their reply, "Rush? They still alive?"

6: Hiccups? Did you try giving the computer water, or scaring it with one of those prank e-mails? :)

7: Were any waterfalls involved?

8: Wow. Nice. Imagine playing Neil's drums. It's like giving Henry Ford's car a tune-up?

9: You'd have to find buried treasure to pay for that kit, I'd bet! (It's under a big W!)

10: The only remains of Le Studio, I believe. A piece of Rush history survives.

11: Voted and... voted.

12: Ouch, man.

13: Sure as sugar, Geddy himself might wanna get a look at that...
"Fantasy baseball is free and it rocks!"

14: Got my lucky charms ready. C'mon.... big money, big money, no whammies, big money....
#97 - Posted 3/10/08 @3:46PM by mommy_of_zuzu

#13

Dinoman,
Yes, these polls are sure tough!

I had trouble deciding between Emotion Detector (Alex loves
the solo), and High Water (sacred to me), and I went
with Presto. Because the lyrics are just so life-affirming.
I want them to hear them every night!
If they played High Water live I'd...dissolve in tears
and have to use my asthma inhaler...I'd just burst with emotion.

And, I can see your point about ticket prices and young people.
Thanks for reminding me.

I haven't bought all my 3 shows yet because I'm waiting for
the StubHub rapists to come down in price. I hope Rush
and SRO aren't discouraged with the sales so far.
#98 - Posted 3/10/08 @9:02PM by NSRUSHFAN [contact]

They deserve to have some crap ticket sales given the venues and locales that they keep playing repetitively. We haven't seen a Rush concert here (in the Maritimes) in 20 years and they could probably sell out two shows in Halifax. Ray Daniels and SRO can go #@!!@@$# themselves. I'll save my money and go see a band that will make the effort to come here.
#99 - Posted 3/10/08 @10:34PM by Armeee [contact]

NRUSHFAN.....

You couldn't have said it better.

East coast Canada are salt-of-the-earth Rush fans.
#100 - Posted 3/11/08 @9:51AM by SnowDoggy [contact]

This tour is going to BOMB!

I was at St Patricks Day Party this weekend and ran into a friend who works for ticketmaster.

He gave me the inside info that $129.50 face tickets will be going for $20 outside the shows. So if you want to go just show up and give a scalper $20. He'll take it - it's better than nothing. The only catch is that you might miss a song or two(that you already saw on the 1st leg)

Only the true supergroups like U2 can tour to sold out shows this summer. It's going to be sad watching Rush play to half empty mid-level venues. But that the reality of this tour.



They bit off more than they can chew this time.
#101 - Posted 3/11/08 @10:09AM by rocinante5m [contact]

hhmmm, interesting inside stuff out of ticketmaster......so i guess officials at ticketmaster do consort with the scalpers......how else would SnowDoggy's inside info be inside info.......interesting they determined the # to be 20, why not 10?????........yeah, this tour is going to bomb, sure......
#102 - Posted 3/11/08 @12:02PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

i love all the negativity!! maybe we should wait until closer to the actual shows,once summer hits and people start getting those tax checks,you may see tickets sales bump up!!
#103 - Posted 3/11/08 @12:04PM by STEVE.C [contact]

I totally agree with NSRUSHFAN # 98. We are constantly passed over every tour for the last 20 years and i don't believe they couldn't fit us in this time around, but they are playing Regina!!?? Still pissed in Halifax!!!! Sorry but can't stop bitching.
#104 - Posted 3/11/08 @12:08PM by rocinante5m [contact]

just for the record, post #101 was a little sarcastic, just a little, ok, very sarcastic,lol.....
#105 - Posted 3/11/08 @12:28PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

just a thought,maybe there is a reason why they are not going to eastern canada? i doubt if they have some bias against that part of north america,maybe its because they have had experiences in the past where they didnt get the support there!! i'm not sure what the reason is,but they are business men also,and i'm sure if they felt like they had alot of support there,they would be going there!! at least those are my thoughts!!

i knew you were being sarcastic,rocinante !! lol
#106 - Posted 3/11/08 @1:13PM by Fiat [contact]

Rush needs to unveil new material. The idea of another tour for an album that barely sold 200,000 copies is a bit ridiculous. I don't where this, "You asked for more" crap is coming from but it seems a bit transparent. Almost every time I mention them to anybody outside the freak circle, I get confused looks and comments like "Rush is still touring?" It's a little sad at this point.
They need to be spicing things up a bit more. A new tune announcement is the only thing that will put them where they want to be tickets sales wise. Anything is fluff for the freaks of whom I am most certainly one.

That's just my $230.00 (1 ticket) worth.
#107 - Posted 3/11/08 @1:14PM by Fiat [contact]

Anything else, that is.
#108 - Posted 3/11/08 @1:28PM by SnowDoggy [contact]

exactly 100% Correct Fiat.

When I bumped into my ticketmaster friend on Sunday, he was breaking the Rush news to me like a vet breaking the news that the family dog is terminally ill.

The fanatics like us have already RUSHed out and bought tickets. There will be barely any sales from here on in no matter what the new setlist is. Some places are not even half full!

At the very best, 60% of us will buck up the cash to listen to S&A songs again. The other 40% will be taking this tour off. And if 40% of us Rush Nerds are saying "no thanks", that means 99.99% of the classic rock crowd will be skipping it too.

Be prepared for an embarrassing low-point for Rush in the coming months.
#109 - Posted 3/11/08 @2:50PM by Fiat [contact]

Too bad the folks at Anthem or SRO or whoever does this stuff can't seem to realize what we already know.
I will be very interested to see how my (St. Paul) show turns out. As a transplanted East Coaster, I was actually quite happily surprised at how many of these chipped-Stepford- passive-aggressive-automatons made it out to the show. ;)

Just kidding, you mid-westerners. You're the salt of the earth. Really. I'm not kidding. Oh jeez, now I'm in trouble. I can hear it now.
#110 - Posted 3/11/08 @5:39PM by dinoman [contact]

Here's a thought.
Who gives a fuck? If you want to manage the band or be their touring manager or whatever, then go and apply for a fucking job. If you are just glad that you get another chance to see Rush, then quit your fucking bitching and buy a fucking ticket. Is your lives made more full by griping and being a couple of "Debbie downers"?

For fucking Christ's sake, let the band do what the fuck they want. IT'S THEIR FUCKING BAND.
#111 - Posted 3/11/08 @6:42PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

LOL,HERE!! HERE!!,DINOMAN!! COULDNT AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!!
#112 - Posted 3/11/08 @6:52PM by Fiat [contact]

Yeah, but they need to debut some new tunes or the halls are going to be half full.
#113 - Posted 3/11/08 @7:12PM by SnowDoggy [contact]

I give a fuck because they are my favortite band and I don't want to watch them go on a tour that looks like something right out of "This Is Spinal Tap". If that's "bitching" then too bad.

I live in NYC, and have seen a few half-full shows at PNC and Jones Beach. It's pathetic and sad.

Apologies for the reality of the situation Dino.
#114 - Posted 3/11/08 @7:19PM by rocinante5m [contact]

open letter to all the fortune tellers out there,

since you all have such great visions of the amount of people in the halls at the upcoming RUSH shows and how disappointing this tour is going to be, and how bad they are going to look, please use your gifts and let us know what the new videos will consist of? what Geddy will be plugged into? will Alex's groupies be back? will there be any guests surprising the crowd? will Neil skip his drum solo? and while your at it, since your visions are so powerful and the conviction you speak with is so strong, please share with us a couple of the changes in the setlist.....thanks, i'm sure everyone will appreciate it........

Brought to you by:
STODRUMA- the conviction of the fortune tellers
#115 - Posted 3/11/08 @7:48PM by Dino [contact]

I know a summer hometown show should do alright. But I do remember when the did the VT tour at the ACC, the bowl was MAYBE 3/4 full. And The first S&A show at ACC, I had 2 tix I couldn't drop for free practically. I'm not kidding, I still have them. Maybe if I'd promised to buy some street meat from a vendor and throw it in? Kidding about that.

The point being missed I think is that with dismal album sales for most artists, the $$$ comes in the form of touring. So let the boys merch & earn. And let the fans enjoy. Anyone not willing to shell out for a ticket, that's fine. But bear in mind.....they're not getting younger, and you never know....
#116 - Posted 3/11/08 @8:59PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

well,if PNC and jones beach can only fill half venues,thats on them!!then maybe they should skip those places and do another show in detroit!! we never have a problem supporting rush around here!! maybe thats why they come here everytime,every tour!!
#117 - Posted 3/11/08 @9:35PM by Dino [contact]

Countless bands would agree with Necro's view on Detroit 'Rock City'.
#118 - Posted 3/11/08 @9:40PM by dinoman [contact]

I apologize (more or less) for my previous rant (although I fully stand behind the general senitment). My point is, why are you second guessing their decision? Why do venues need to be full? Certainly, with ticket prices the way they are, everyone that needs to make money from the deal is making money. Are you suggesting they should play smaller venues? Perhaps that will happen, but it would have to be based on something. If venues are only half full, and there are adequate smaller venues available next time around, perhaps that is where they will play. If you are such "fans", where's the credit for at least attempting a SECOND leg of a MAJOR world tour supporting NEW material that gets LITTLE TO NO major airplay. I mean FUCK, even the goddamn STONES or AC/DC couldn't do that without a major push fom radio. Seriously, look at it that way and still try to tell me that what they are trying to do is misguided or an inevitable failure.


Where's that Manny fucker. I want to rip into him next.
#119 - Posted 3/11/08 @10:11PM by Dino [contact]

Hey Stones ACDC & the Boys!!! You just mentioned the headliners at SARSFEST!
#120 - Posted 3/11/08 @10:36PM by dinoman [contact]

Hey wow. I did, didn't I. That was a good show. Drove 12 hrs to see "the boys" play for ~15min. Am I stupid or just crazy?
#121 - Posted 3/11/08 @10:39PM by Dino [contact]

Nope Just crazy!! Hot wasn't it?
#122 - Posted 3/11/08 @10:47PM by dinoman [contact]

Yes, it was a bit warm. Were you there?
#123 - Posted 3/11/08 @10:58PM by Dino [contact]

Yes, and the sound SUCKED!!!
#124 - Posted 3/12/08 @9:22AM by SnowDoggy [contact]

#114 - besides the number of Alex's groupies (which will be 0) I'm afraid I can't answer those questions.

All I can tell you are the facts that I learned through a friend of mine who has worked for Ticketmaster for 15 years. I'm sure all you guys know someone like this - he's the guy you go to for concert tickets and illegal plants. He knows EVERYTHING about those two subjects and NOTHING about everything else.

Sales are down across the board this summer because Americans in general are tighening thier belts. And Rush's in particular have been down right terrible.

This is a band that once did a five night stand at Radio City Music Hall! And now they will be playing to 5,000 empty seats at Jones Beach. That's not my opinion, it's a fact. And that saddens me. Sorry.
#125 - Posted 3/12/08 @12:04PM by Fiat [contact]

Look, let's face it. This is a $ grab by a band that knows the clock is tickin and can't seem to at this point get into the studio for original recording more than once every five years. Maybe all these empty seats are what's needed for them to get their butts back in and put out the only thing that fills houses for them, new material. The half life of a Rush album these days is about 2 hours on the day of release. Snakes & Arrows must now take its place along the rest in the markdown bin. Honestly, all they would have to do is float a rumor that they will play one freshly written song and the seats will go. Two tunes and they would be turning them away at the gates.
#126 - Posted 3/12/08 @12:11PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

snowdoggy-it is not a fact that they will be playing to 5,000 empty seats at jones beach because the concert is still 4 months away!! i still say wait until closer to the concert to start predicting how many people are going to be there!! and besides.its frickin at jones beach,which is in wantagh,new york,wherever the hell that is!! lol i'm not sure that it will be a good predictor of what the rest of the tour will be like!! if wantagh cant support a rush concert,then maybe next tour they shouldnt go there and give another place a chance!!then you wont have to worry about it at all,you wont even have to go see them,since it is such a depressing experience for you!!
#127 - Posted 3/12/08 @1:09PM by SnowDoggy [contact]

It should depress all of us Necro.

And I am sitting this tour out, as are thousands of other die-hards(hence the "sluggish" sales as per Ed). HOWEVER - The one and only thing that will get me out again would be if "The Camera Eye" is added as an encore or something. I know that is the rarest of Rush songs and this would be my last chance to hear it live.

But even then I'm showing up and scalping a ticket for $20 15 minutes after the show starts.

And you never know, maybe "WTA" will pick up traction as a single and draw in some new fans. But considering the success of the other S&A singles that's a real longshot.
#128 - Posted 3/12/08 @1:12PM by dinoman [contact]

So, I'm a little confused about the point of the nay-saying. Are you suggesting they should not have extended the tour? Are you going? If the answer to both of those is yes, then your arguments seem pointless. They are not a small venue band. Should they just cease to tour altogether?

What, exactly, are you suggesting should have been done? And I doubt new material will help sales that much. Rush fanatics are probably going to go anyway. Those that are not (due to ticket prices or whatever) may change their minds if new material was announced, but I doubt that would fill the venues, if sales are going to be as dismal as you suggest.

I think that most attendees are the more casual Rush fan, who were probably somewhat put off and annoyed by having 9 new songs played last leg. Certainly most of those (or perhaps a switch with other S&A songs) will be played again. I don't see how the promise of ADDITIONAL songs that are unfamiliar will appeal to those who want to hear Limelight and Tom Sawyer and are hoping desperately for the full 2112.

And speaking of Limelight and Tom Sawyer, I, too, would be thrilled if they left out the "standards" (and perhaps the drum solo could fall into this category) for more obscure material, but I would garantee you that the vast majority of people would leave the show highly dissappointed. Think of some of the highlights (as defined by the crowd going nuts) from the last leg. Are you seriously going to tell me that Tom Sawyer, Limelight, drum solo, etc. do not qualify?

Imagine an AC/DC concert where they don't play Back in Black. Pink Floyd without Comfortably Numb. Ozzy not doing Crazy Train. Not gonna happen.

Also, it was pointed out that ticket sales are down across the board for everyone that's touring due to the slumping economy. fine. I'm sure that's true. It's not Rush's fault, so why pick on them for it. Maybe, if your lucky, sales will be so dismal that they'll start cancelling shows. Then you can be happy and say "See, I told you so!" and we can all bend down and worship your superior knowledge of touring economics. If that does happen, I hope it's the show(s) you plan on attending.

As for me, the New Orleans Arena is doing well and only nosebleeds have been avaiable for quite some time now (not counting the broker sites, of course). And I will be in the fourth row, among the crowd NOT thinking about how sad and pathetic Rush are.
#129 - Posted 3/12/08 @1:18PM by necromancer 2112 [contact]

snowdoggy- check out my post #27 on todays thread,i dont feel like typing it again!! lol
#130 - Posted 3/12/08 @1:27PM by rocinante5m [contact]

well said dinoman!!!!!......weren't you looking for manny the other day,lol....if so he's in the other room spewing his usual bantha fodder........
#131 - Posted 3/12/08 @2:17PM by Fiat [contact]

New Rush tunes generate more than quite a buzz in music circles. It would have a more significant impact than you probably think. These are all simply observations and personal opinions. Nothing to get so wound up about. It's a bullshit in the end anyway. I really don't give a fuck one way or the other, Dino.
#132 - Posted 3/12/08 @3:35PM by SnowDoggy [contact]

"bend down and worship my superior knowledge"? huh? You think I want my favortite to cancel shows so I can say "I told you so" to strangers on a website? Are you drunk right now?

wow

in very short - yes, my point is that they should not have added a 2nd Leg to this tour. I think they sold 200K copies of S&A. I'm willing to bet no band in history has ever put 2 tours together to support such a small amount of sales.

By all means go sit in the 4th row and have a blast. If this turns out to be the last tour then I'll be kicking myself for skipping it and you can say "I told you so" to a complete stranger.
#133 - Posted 3/12/08 @10:20PM by Fiat [contact]

SnowDoggy,

I have to agree. Like Ive said before, I'm in for at least one show and two if the whores in DC get us our "Playstation 3 Refunds" but this tour reeks of $ grab and it's just odd to see this from them after all the years they've seemed to resist such behavior.
In my humble opinion, they should be thinking outside the box and releasing a couple new tracks for this tour. It would be such a fresh approach for them and it would be in accord with their recent comments about wishing to continue making music.
I mean, that's where we're comin from on this, Dinoman. We're in for the long haul and glad to be able to see them as many times as we can. I think it's just hard for some of us lifers to sit by and not point out that this tour is a bit odd for them. Something just doesn't feel "right" about it and I think that is going to manifest itself in some lackluster turnout. Granted, the fact that the US economy is pretty much on the verge of collapse doesn't help but I think this would be true in a better economic climate as well.
And furthermore, blah blah blah blah (blah blah) --blah , blah :)
#134 - Posted 3/13/08 @4:44PM by dinoman [contact]

They've done multiple legs in the past (pre VT). Here in Virginia, they would always hit the Hamptom Colliseum on the first pass, and then Richmond on the second. The first leg of this tour was pretty successful. Even though every show was not a sellout, they did quite well and were somewhere fairly high up in the top grossing live acts. And remember, this is all WITHOUT a big PR push. So, given that success, why shouldn't they extend the tour? And sure, perhaps some venues were a poor choice, but others apparently are selling well (New Orleans, Red Rocks, Nokia, others I'm sure).

I would like to appologize for my tone in some of my posts, I don't normally stoop to that. I just don't see the point of the negativity or of second guessing the choice of the band (or their management). It seems kind of petty and pointless.

A few years ago (actually, like a decade), Yes was touring again with most of the original members (Allen White instead of Bruford and no Wakeman) and I saw them at the VA Beach amphitheatre. The place was so undersold (tickets were not expensive either), that security let the people on the lawn come down into the stands. BUT, that was one of the best damn shows I've seen; they played only classics - including Close to the Edge in its entirety. They sounded perfect and seemed to really be into playing. In the end, isn't that the point? And the depressed ticket sales didn't stop them. They came again the following year (this time playing mainly very obscure older tracks) and played just as well to just as small of a crowd.

I just don't get the whole negativeity about the ticket sales, that's all. It comes across as having some other, devisive agenda
#135 - Posted 3/13/08 @5:38PM by dtoelectric [contact]

I would like to say that at the moment iam not planning on attending any shows on this leg either. I saw 3 shows on the first leg and feel very comfortable with that. I will probably scalp tickets and attend 1 show if i get reports of an awesome set list other wise for me too much of a good thing tends to ruin it for me. I was definately going to go to the AC show at the Taj until i found out it was on the 4th. I would rather spend the Day and night with my family. So for me money has absolutely nothing to do with not seeing another show this year. Rush is my all time favorite Band and i consider myself as big a fan as anyone since i heard 2112 for the first time back in 1979 and i own everything they put out at least 3 times plus countless merchandise items. After reading some of the posts from areas where Rush has not played lately i feel bad for you and also think that Rush should have added some new territory to their touring schedule. IMO I think they should have went into the studio and put out some new material ( if what they said is true and they are going to continue to write and tour ) with a tour to follow. Hey i know they want to make the bucks and touring is where it's at but after seeing them 25 times if i dont see them on this tour and it is the end then i could live with that. Now if they put out some new material there is no way i could live with missing that tour. Just my take on why i might not see Rush this year. Iam sure there are many reasons why some fans wont make a show on this leg.
 

 

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